FOTR Complete Recordings - Disc 2

Lyric Time Stamps

 

Disc One

(track number to the left)


1

Opening credits

1

Prologue - Ringwraith Theme

1

Gollum takes the Ring into the MM

3

Gandalf arrives in the Shire

7

Bilbo leaves the Shire

7

The Nine ride from Minas Morgul

7

Isildur's Account of the Ring

7 Merry and Pippin Drinking Song

10

Frodo and Sam spy the Wood Elves

11

The Wizards fight at Isengard

12

Ringwraith chases the Hobbits

14

Ringwraiths enter Bree

14

Aragorn sings in the Marshes

Disc Two

(track number to the left)


1

Ringwraiths on Weathertop

2

The Moth

3

Arwen arrives at Trollshaws

3

Ringwraiths chase Arwen and Frodo

3

Arwen's gift of Grace

4

The Moth returns

4

Welcome to Rivendell

4 Sam Packs to Return to the Shire

7

Arwen and Aragorn on the bridge

9

Gilraen's Grave

9

Leaving Rivendell

10

Boromir's Seduction

11

The Door of Moria

12

The long, dark of Moria

14

Dwarrowdelf

Disc Three

(track number to the left)


1

The Balrog

1

Gandalf has fallen

2

Entering Lorien

2

Climbing the stairs at Caras Galadhon

2

Lrien Elves' Lament for Gandalf

3

Galadriel's Mirror

4

Gift of the Elven Cloaks

4

Leaving Lorien

4

The Argonath
5 Seduction of Aragorn
5 Merry and Pippin divert the Uruks
5 Redemption of Boromir
6 Wounding of Boromir
6 Death of Boromir
8 May It Be
9 In Dreams
9 Rivendell Theme

Notes at the bottom of the page


 

Scene: Ringwraiths on Weathertop +

CR-FOTR Track: Weathertop; 2-1

Source Text: Revelation of the Ringwraiths

[0:31] Brn
[0:33]
Kathard
[0:36]
d
[0:39]
Nidir n
[0:42]
Npm
[0:44]
nd abrat
[0:49]
dir n
[0:51]
nkham
[0:54]
Nb
[0:56]
btham ma
[0:59]
gna
[1:02]
nan
[1:05]
Ntab
[1:07]
dur

 

The OST drops a few of these lines (in an interspersed manner) and is shorter.

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Scene: The Moth +

CR-FOTR Track: The Caverns of Isengard; 2-2

Source Text: A Moth in Isengard

 
 

Choir

Solo

[1:55]

I

 

[2:01]

ce

 

[2:04]

I

I

[2:08]

ce

ce

[2:10]

 

men

[2:11]

 

nur ru

[2:12]

a

a

[2:15]

 

ar

[2:16]

i

i

[2:18]

 

su

[2:19]

re

re

[2:22]

 

i

[2:23]

s

s

[2:28]

 

re

[2:29]

nai

nai

[2:30]

 

nai

[2:30]

na

na!

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Scene: Arwen arrives at Trollshaws +

CR-FOTR Track: Give Up the Halfling; 2-3

Source Text: The Song of Lthien

 

[0:00] Ti
[0:03] nu
[0:10]
vi (el- the two els seem to be merged as one)
[0:15] elvan
[0:21] ui
[0:25] El
[0:30] leth
[0:31] al
[0:35]
firin

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Scene: Ringwraiths chase Arwen and Frodo  +

CR-FOTR Track: Give Up the Halflings; 2-3

Source Text: Revelation of the Ringwraiths

 

[2:48] Br 'n
[2:50] Kathard
[2:53]
d
[2:55]
kham npm
[2:58]
nn
[3:01] kham nepam
[3:03] (a)barat
[3:06] aglar
[3:09]
nb
[3:11]
kathard
[3:14]
Nidir
[3:16]
nn
[3:19]
nbb
[3:20] tham
[3:21] ur

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Scene: Arwen's gift of Grace   +

CR-FOTR Track: Give Up the Halflings; 2-3

Source Text: Arwen's Prayer

 

[3:59] What grace is given me
[4:19]
Let it pass to him
[4:32]
Let him be spared
[4:37]
Mighty Valar
[4:40]
Save him.

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Scene: The Moth returns  +

CR-FOTR Track: Orthanc 2-4

Source Text: A Moth in Isengard

 

[0:14] I

[0:15] ce

[0:26] I

[0:27] ce

 

As Saruman has Gandalf dangling over the top of Orthanc, the moth returns - flying by Gandalf's face. A few seconds later, it flies behind Saruman's head (with Gwaihir close behind).

Danijel writes, "they are sung on beat - just listen to the drums - "I" is sung on the first beat and "ce" on the second and lasting for 5 beats."
 

 

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Scene: Welcome to Rivendell +

CR-FOTR Track: Rivendell; 2-5

Source Text: Hymn to Elbereth

[0:24] Nef
[0:27] Elbereth
[0:28] Gil
[0:35] tho
[0:41] niel,
[0:42] Siliv
[0:46] ren
[0:49] pen
[0:53] na

[0:55] mri
[0:56] el
[0:59] A
[1:00] El

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Scene: Sam packs for a return to the Shire

CR-FOTR Track: Rivendell; 2-5

Source Text: Hymn to Elbereth

[2:32] El
[2:33] bereth
[2:34] Gil...

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Scene: Arwen and Aragorn on the bridge  -

CR-FOTR Track: The Council of Elrond Assembles; 2-7

Source Text: Anron 

 

[0:37] O
[0:39] mr
[0:40] henion
[0:47] i dh:
[0:51] Ely
[0:54] siriar
[0:59] Ai!
[1:06] Anron
[1:13] Undmiel.
[1:28] Tiro!  
[1:30] El eria
[1:37] e mr.
[1:41] I lr
[
1:44] en l
[1:46] luitha
[1:51] ren.
[1:55] Ai!
[
2:03] Anron...

An alternate version of this song can be found on
Enya's Album, "The Very Best of Enya"

 

[0:22] E

[0:24] mor

[0:24] henion

[0:30] i

[0:31] dhu:

[0:34] Ely

[0:36] siriar

[0:41] el

[0:43] sila.

[0:47] Ai!

[0:53] Aniron

[0:59] Undomiel.

[1:16] Tiriel

[1:20] arad

[1:22] ala

[1:25] mor

[1:27] ?(theres an extra syllable in there I cant account for)

[1:27] Minnon

[1:30] i

[1:31] dhu

[1:33] sad

[1:35] oltha.

[1:39] Ai!

[1:45] Aniron

[1:51] Edhelharn.

[2:03] Ai!

[2:09] Aniron

[2:15] Edhelharn.

 

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Scene: Gilraen's memorial  -

CR-FOTR Track: Gilraen's Memorial; 2-9

Source Text: Gilraen's Song

 
(Single solo voice)

(a cappella choir)

ChoirA

(ChoirB sings in counterpoint with ChoirA after 0:46)


[0:00] Estel
[0:05] Le in
[0:06] adar
[0:09] ln


[0:14]
[0:16] in
[0:49] naneth
[0:20] ln
[0:25] A
[0:27] ch
[0:29] neg
[0:33] a ion
[0:35] neg

 

x

x

[0:46] Tolo
[0:49] na
[0:50] rengy
[0:53] ne
[0:54] thei
[0:58] li
[1:02] en


[0:38] Dan
[0:42] na
[0:46] si

x

x
x

[0:54] fu
[0:58] in

 

It seems clear that after 0:38, there are two sections of the choir singing in counterpoint. I have attempted to give an accurate representation of what's sung when... but may have the 'who sings' part incorrect. Gwen Lloyd said this in an old coversation:

I am fairly confident that I hear "ne theilien", however, I am inclined to think that it somehow fits in a different layer with overlapping time stamps.

It makes more sense to me to have Choir A sing "Danna si fuin" and "ne theilien" as a counterpoint to Choir B singing "Tolo na rengy nin". To do it that way would seem to me to enhance the 'atmospheric' feeling of the piece.... meaning - the choir in the background sings "night is falling....in the shadows" while the other group continues with the idea of Gilraen speaking to Estel as she/choir sings "Come into my arms".

It will be difficult to pull this apart, because, except for "danna si fuin" which is sung in a very deep register, the remaining words are sung in the same octaves by similar voices.....

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Scene: Leaving Rivendell  -

CR-FOTR Track: Gilraen's Memorial; 2-9

Source Text: Hymn to Elbereth

 

[3:20] ilos
[3:22] le
[3:24] lin
[3:27] na
[3:28] thon
[3:28] Nef
[3:30] ae-
[3:32] -r
[3:34] s
[3:36] nef
[3:37] ae-
[3:39] -a-
[3:43] -ron
 

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Scene: Seduction of Boromir   +

CR-FOTR Track: The Pass of Caradhras; 2-10

Source Text: The Seduction of the Ring

 

[1:51] I tuo  
[1:53]
i
[1:54]
macil
[1:56]
stal
[1:59]
doron
[2:00]
mauri
[2:02]
nai
[2:03] turen

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Scene: The Door of Moria   +

CR-FOTR Track: The Doors of Durin; 2-11

Source Text: Footsteps of Doom

 

[1:37] Min-

[1:38] na
[1:41] ammen
[1:46] man
[1:48] s
[1:51] anann
[1:56] dannatha

 

The AS-FOTR indicated that the source text, Gandalf at the Door to Moria, was heard during this track and this scene is the only one containing singing. But we had a hard time determining what lyrics were sung. When the FOTR Live choral lyrics were made available, we were surprised to find the lyrics were from, Footsteps of Doom. Doug Adams was asked about this and he replied:

Well, I know that this composition was assembled using the Gandalf at the Door lyric... and I believe (doing this of the top of my head) that you still hear a very jumbled version of this on the CD. My guess is that the lyric was so jumbled that, for the live performance, they went back and reset a more straightforward lyric (apparently Footsteps) just to maintain some semblance of coherence. I don't know that for a fact, of course, but it certainly seems to be the case.

I have to say, however, that the lyrics as provided by the choral sheet music match what I'm hearing on the CR-FOTR in multiple places. However, I'm not so sure they match the singing heard in the movie. There is dialog and sound effects over the singing, which complicates things. But there isn't a strong sense of hearing even the same syllables, the same number of syllables, or the same timing of syllables. (Danijel Legin thinks they are the same.) Perhaps the movie uses this 'jumbled' version of the Gandalf at the Door to Moria lyrics. But since the CR-FOTR tracks are assembled from material recorded prior to FOTR Live, the switch of source material - if one was made - would not have been prompted by the concert. Not being sure if the CR-FOTR and the movie use the same singing, one is left with two questions.

Why would two tracks be prepared - one being used for the movie and one being assembled into the CR-FOTR?

If the was a quest for 'more straightforward lyric just to maintain some semblance of coherence', why not use a more coherent version of Gandalf at the Door to Moria? Why use Footsteps of Doom? The subject matter of the first seems considerably more appropriate for this scene.

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Scene: The long, dark of Moria  +

CR-FOTR Track: Moria; 2-12

Source Text: Durin's Song

 

This piece starts the same as on the

FOTR CD, Track 12

A Journey in the Dark

In the middle there is more singing.

The syllables between the

beginning and end are:

The piece ends the same as on the

FOTR CD, Track 12

A Journey in the Dark

[0:05] ku bin-amrad
[0:11]
Durin
[0:13]
ku
[0:15]
bin-
[0:16]
am
[0:17]
rad

[0:20] Ug
[0:20]
mal
[0:21]
sul
[0:23]
lu
[0:24]
ad
[0:24]
dad
[0:28]
Ku

[0:33]
ba

[0:37] ka

[0:41] na

[0:45] Un

[0:49] du

[0:54] ab

[0:58] ad

[1:17] ba

[1:19] ka

[1:22] na

[1:25] az

[1:27] nn

[1:29] Un

[1:31] du

 

(this section is not in the FOTR Live so lyrics are not confirmed)

[1:47] A
[1:49]
bad
[1:52]
ku
[1:53]
gan
[1:54]
a
[1:55]
ga
[1:56]
Tur
[1:57]
gan
[1:58]
d
[2:01]
Ab
[2:02]
an
[2:03]
ul
[2:05]
Du
[2:07]
rin
[2:09]
Ku
[2:12]
bin
[2:13]
Amrad

 

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Scene: Dwarrowdelf  +

CR-FOTR Track: Balin's Tomb; 2-14

Source Text: Durin's Song

 

[0:00] Ku
[0:04] ba
[0:08] ka
[0:09] na
[0:12] a
[0:16] na
[0:20] az
[0:24] nan
[0:28] un
[0:32] du
[0:36] ab
[0:38] ad
[0:40] un
[0:42] du
[0:43] ab
[0:44] ad
[0:48] ku
[0:52] ga
[0:56] na
[0:58] ga
[1:00] az
[1:02] nan

 

I previously had the singing starting at 0:34 for the CR. The symphony lyrics start with the music at the beginning of the track. Either the singing is very soft for the first half minute, or the FOTR Live symphony has singing where the CR doesn't.

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These time stamps work with the Complete Recordings of the FOTR. If the song is on the regular or special edition CDs, you could find those timestamps on that track's cue by cue. To determine which track any song is on, you could consult the Master Lyrics List for the FOTR.

Numbers after the scene indicate Disc and Track.

Sources for these lyrics as sung and their timestamps were developed over time, from many resources, and by many people. The most current source we have are the phonetic lyrics given to the choir for the FOTR Live to Projection Symphony. The work of figuring how to match source material with the phonetic lyrics and how to set them with timestamps has been done primarily by Sabsi with proofing and additional contributions by Danijel and myself.

Not all singing that's heard in the movies or on CDs is included in the FOTR Live Symphony. Some are from extended scenes (and the Live to Projection series involves the theatrical editions of the movies) or from Fan Club scrolls. Or maybe they're an alternate version of score found on one of the CDs. For those pieces, we are left utilizing a variety of resources---all limited in their own way. These include:

  • The FOTR Annotated Score : This provides only the sketchiest of information about the lyrics. We are only told in which track each source song is used first. Successive uses aren't indicated and neither are we told which lines are sung.

  • Musical notation : These sources include primarily MusicNotes sheet music and notation found in the CR Liner notes.

  • Our own ears : This is the resource we started with that we relied upon greatly. Sometimes is served us well. Sometimes not. I once said, "Although we all are exacting in our labors, our ears are human, not Elven. We are making our best guesses sometimes. One of us hears 'ah' and the other hears 'nah'. I also am beginning to suspect that there's quite a bit of counterpoint singing going one, either between a choir and a soloist, or between different sections of the choir. We may never know what some of these lyrics are for sure."

    For those songs that are not in the FOTR Live Symphony, we may-in fact-never know what's sung for sure. There has never been any eagerness to provide this information in any official way. Whether the lyrics as sung followed the source text in a comprehensible way or not, Shore's intention was: "Its more about sound than about meaning." (comment by Doug Adams) So, if it's not supposed to 'make sense' (the thinking goes), there's no reason for us to know what is being sung. My point is, I don't care if it makes sense either. I just want to sing along. So far, my point hasn't been proven persuasive.

Thanks: as I said before, all of the most recent work involving the TT Live Symphony has been done by Sabsi with some help from Danijel and myself. Whether that information confirmed what we had before or completely replaced what we thought before or filled in what we had no clue before... lots of people contributed to what we 'had before'. Those people include:

Ainu Laire

Angela "Aty" Ferreira

Danijel Legin (Brn_Kathard)

Elvenscribe07

 

Gwen Lloyd

Imladir

Incanus (Mikko Ojala)

Kurt Milano (Ridan)

 

Lisa Graves

MinasMorgul

Sabsi Fronek

TheTennisBallKid

 

Turesse

Tyrhael

Zigur

and the ones who started it all:

Ryszard Derdzinski and the folks at Gwaith-I-Phethdain

 

 

 

FOTR Master Lyrics List

CR-FOTR Lyrics Disc 1CR-FOTR Lyrics Disc 2CR-FOTR Lyrics Disc 3