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MISCELLANEOUS OLD COMMENTS - These comments are all quite old. Back
in the day, this is how information was gathered and passed along.
It is slightly tempting to consider these comments outdated. They may
be part of the official published stream of information. They may
now be officially considered 'old thinking'. But history is as
important as current, up to date knowledge. Think of this page, if
nothing else, as an archive. An archive of the early thinking on the
soundtrack and an archive of how information was shared.
When
you see this: HS
COMMENT
elsewhere on the site, it means that Howard Shore has
made a comment pertinent to something mentioned there.
Click on the
link to find out what.
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FIVE BEAT PATTERN
I have some new info about
5/4 rhythm from Doug Adams
I've posted here earlier
about 5/4 being a rhythm motif for Orcs in
general not only Isengard and according to
D.A. this is correct.
5/4 represents Isengard and
Mordor threat to Middle-earth and Howard
used it because of the reasons he explained
in
FOTR EE DVD commentary.
Difference between Isengard
music and the rest 5/4 music is in
orchestration and the fact that in Isengard
music accents are on first and fourth note
so it gives the feeling of irregular two and
three combination: 1-2-3-1-2 1-2-3-1-2 while
the other 5/4 music doesn't have those
specific accents.
Danijel Legin (Bârîn_Katharâd) at the
SMME Forum
4-29-04
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Cultural
Subsets for Thematic Development
Shore's architecture for Lord of
the Rings is based entirely on races and cultural
interaction. His thematic material is grouped into pools from which
his individual settings flow. Upon close inspection, the entire
score -- thematically speaking -- can practically be boiled down
into three pitches: do, re, mi. Played circularly, it's a Ring
theme. Stepwise, it belongs to the Hobbits. Or stepwise in the minor
key it's a different Ring theme, which is also the B phrase of the
Fellowship theme -- which creates the Gandalf the White theme and
the Aragorn theme -- which creates the B phrase of the Gondor theme.
Repeating, leaping up and falling it's Rohan. Stacked into a
vertical harmony it's the Ring Wraiths. Thread an augmented second
later in the scale and you've got the music of the Elves. I could go
on, but I won't because even this intricate level of interconnection
oversimplifies the detail in the score. I'm not mentioning the fact
that within each musical culture Shore's themes develop and reform
depending of character arcs and interactions between cultures. And
there are catalogues of accompaniment figures and secondary themes
that provide new material while adding shadings and layers to the
more central themes. In the Rohan music, for example, the character
of Éowyn has three separate themes and two characteristic
instruments to play to her relationships and to affect our
perception of the greater collection of Rohan music.
Doug Adams at
Film Score Montly's Mailbag 1-14-04
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Fellowship Theme
You'll first hear the Fellowship
Theme forming in the film when Frodo leaves Hobbiton with Sam on his
way to Bree - but it's just a fragment of the theme. Later on, after
they meet up with Merry and Pippin in the cornfield, you hear a more
developed version of the theme - it's growing. Then they get to Bree
and they meet Strider, and it develops even further as they leave
Bree. Once in Rivendell, when they meet Gimli and Legolas and
Gandalf arrives, the Fellowship is now in its full orchestrated
form. At the end of "The Council of Elrond" cue, you hear the full,
grand statement of the Fellowship
Theme. So the two and a half hours
of score is very carefully shaped in terms of the thematic material
- how it's introduced and developed throughout the whole film.
Howard
Shore from:
And
In the Darkness Bind Them
Dan Goldwasser (Soundtrack.Net 11-20-01)
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Frodo's Theme
You can hear Frodo's Theme develop
throughout the movie - it starts out in a Celtic fashion in
Hobbiton, and evolves into a hymn called "In Dreams" written by Fran
Walsh, and sung by soloist Edward Roth.
Howard Shore from:
And
In the Darkness Bind Them
Dan Goldwasser (Soundtrack.Net 11-20-01)
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Mixed Choir
A mixed choir was used for Rivendell and Lothlórien, they actually
have quite different sounds as you can hear on the CD. They sang in
Elvish (Quenya and Sindarin) and Black Speech - they did all of the
Wraith singing.
Howard Shore from:
And
In the Darkness Bind Them
Dan Goldwasser (Soundtrack.Net 11-20-01)
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Moria
Voices
Oh yeah.
And in the movie, the dwarves are very stout and warlike. They have
axes and big beards and things. The female dwarves are almost
indistinguishable from the male dwarves. They live in a mine, below
a mountain — all very interior. The director, Peter Jackson, wanted
the sound to be rough and kind of masculine. So I contacted a Samoan
choirmaster named Inglese Ete, and he put together a Maori-Samoan
choir to sing the Dwarvish text. And they weren’t all singers — some
of them were football players! [laughs] We recorded it with the New
Zealand Symphony Orchestra. It was quite wonderful.
Howard Shore,
interview
Cory Reynolds (IndexMagazine.com 01)
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Nature Theme
I had the very good fortune of attending
the last session with the LPO for ROTK this Monday. And then
interviewing Howard Shore yesterday. The piece I'm writing is
about the whole LOTR music project having been housed in London.
It'll be for the British Academy of Composers & Songwriters members'
magazine, but when it goes on-line I'll direct any interested folks
to the URL. But the reason for posting here is I wanted to
relay an answer to a question I asked Howard specifically for some
of the members of this Board. After TTT, we entered into a
thread or 2 about a particular theme. It plays as the
moth flutters
to Gandalf atop Isengard in FOTR. Then again as the
Ents attack
Isengard in TTT. I speculated that this theme represented
Nature, & its role in Tolkien's perception of the Industrial Age.
That idea was kicked about here for a while, & I recall "Nature
Theme" sticking. Guess what? Howard was delighted that
had been picked up from the 1st two movies. He calls it his
"Reclamation of Nature Theme" or "Nature Theme". It does
indeed stand for those very things. It apparently hasn't made it to
the album, but is most certainly featured prominently in ROTK. I
won't spoil where - but it'll make beautiful sense when you hear it!
Just wanted to share.
Paul
Tonks at
MovieMusic.com 11-07-2003
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LEITMOTIFS IN LOTR
Regarding the use of
leitmotifs in film
JA:
Howard, if I were to call your scores for Lord of the Rings movies
Wagnerian... I'm not saying I would... but if I were to call it
that, you would think... what?
HS:
I would think leitmotif. Music expressing emotional ideas and the
use of leitmotifs.
JA:
Is that something you made use of in your scores?
HS:
Oh, I think tremendously.
JA:
How so?
HS:
Well, there's over 50 leitmotifs.. (Oh, really?) used in the piece.
JA:
Do they reflect each individual character....
HS:
They reflect characters and places and objects. The Ring
itself has four motifs for its different moods.
(History of the Ring Theme plays)
JA:
And here's one you may recognize if you've seen the movies.
Howard Shore from
The Ring and
I: The Passion, The Myth, The Mania
about
13:00 into the interview (the subject of leitmotifs start about
11:30 in)
Jad Abumrad (WNYC Radio Special
3-2004)
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The Seduction Theme
The boys
sang in English and in Elvish. The boys I used very specifically in
scenes that involved the Hobbits. The first time you hear the boys
choir is when
Frodo and Sam leave Hobbiton on their way to Bree.
Frodo has the ring in his vest pocket and Gandalf leaves them to go
to Saruman in Isengard. You hear the boys singing in Elvish and it's
used as the seductiveness of the ring. You hear them singing this
very pure, beautiful sound. It also has a courageous sound that
seemed appropriate. The Hobbits are not boys, but they have a boyish
quality because they're half-size to men.
Howard
Shore from:
An Early Look at Howard Shore's FOTR
Doug Adams (Film Score Monthly 11-14-01)
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Shire
Theme
Q:And how about James Galway? How did he fit
into the mix?
I had this idea that because the hobbits evolve, that when they go
back to the Shire, the Shire is the same, but they have changed.
Because they have been through this incredible journey, the folk
aspect and the
tin whistle evolves into a
flute, which is a more
grown up sound, a more evolved sound. So I asked James Galway if he
would play both, and he agreed. So you hear the
penny whistle and
towards the end of the film the whistle evolves into the
flute.
Howard Shore from:
Of Dwarvish Chants, Penny Whistles, and Annie Lennox
Official Movie Website Interview
(2004)
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Silver Trumpets Theme (now known as
Minas Tirith)
HS: ...which is more
related to Minas Tirith, really. The
Silver Trumpets Theme is a Minas
Tirith piece. Boromir is talking about his city when you hear a
little fragment of that in Fellowship. Of course, that gets
much more developed. It becomes a much more important piece in
Return of the King. It has a lot to do with Aragorn and
Boromir's relationship in Fellowship, but it becomes part
of Aragorn becoming King of Gondor. It relates to Anduril and is
used around the reforging of Narsil. It's used in the scene where
Elrond brings Anduril to Aragorn and tells him to become what he
must and release the Army of the Dead and do the things that he was
born to do.
DA: When you used
those in the first film, were you always planning to bring them back
in film three, or did you mine the earlier material and find things
that were appropriate?
HS: The architecture
of it came from Peter Jackson's mind. And from Fran Walsh's. They
had worked on the piece for years before I started, so Peter knew in
the Council of Elrond there was an important moment when Boromir
talks about his father. He knew it was an important moment when
Boromir talks about his city in Fellowship [in Lothlórien].
He knew we were going to be going to those places. I knew it as
well, but Peter gave me the idea to create little fragments of
themes and put them in that film, because he knew that they were
going to be developed into a Gondor
Theme and a Minas Tirith
Theme.
There are so many little fragments of things in Fellowship
because of that. It was partly intuitive on my account, and partly
Peter leading me, guiding me and showing me these important moments.
Howard
Shore from: Seven Days in September
Doug
Adams interview (Film Score Monthly Vol. 8, No. 10, pg. 18 --
Nov/Dec 2003)
Also returning after their brief
Fellowship premiere are the shimmering brass figures heard
behind Boromir and Aragorn's "White Tower" chat in Lothlórien, here
used as a History of Gondor
Theme relating to the city's former
glory and future potential, and put to welcome use in the lustrous
"Andúril" track.
The Return of the King CD Review
By Doug Adams in
The Return of the King CD Review
Film Score Monthly (11-20-03)
The 'Gondor Theme', like all of the
music, is simply not just one piece of music, there are many motifs
connected to it. One of the motifs of Gondor is the Minas
Tirith theme, which I call 'The
Silver Trumpets Theme'. It is
part of a speech that Boromir gives in The Fellowship when he's in
Lothlórien. It's late at night, he's talking to Aragorn about
his city and beauty of it. You hear this trumpet theme that
becomes 'The Silver Trumpets Theme' in The Return of the King and the
very first time you hear that is when Aragorn is given Andúril.
So it's kind of like a sub-theme to the 'Gondorian
Theme', which is describing the culture and not necessarily the
place. I drop these little thematic hints along the way.
There's even a little fragment
of Minas Tirith in The Fellowship, so when you watch watch the
entire piece you will have these connections. That music not
only helped to tell the story and its drama, but it was used for
clarity to understand that Boromir was Denethor's son and they lived
in Minas Tirith, which is a Gondorian city. The music had to
be very precise to do that, so it was used for clarity as well so
when you hear certain pieces of music you understood that Minas
Tirith was a Gondorian city and that's where the sword came from.
Howard Shore in
The Return of the King
Music from the
Movies magazine, Issue 42, page 68, July 2004
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Unused music
There was actually
quite a bit of music written for each film that never made it to
theaters. Fellowship, for example, had that great bit with the
aleatoric French horns that was meant to underscore
Arwen's
arrival at the river just before washing away the Ring Wraiths.
That bit made it on the CD and not the film, but there was even
more music as the waves crashed in that hasn't been heard. Two
Towers had a song for Arwen that never appeared anywhere, and
the CD debut of Shadowfax is different than the film. (The LOTR
Symphony, by the way, uses the film version.) ROTK had the
mentioned Seduction of the Ring / Evil of the Ring combination
in the Gollum opening that wasn't in the film, as well as a
whole host of other things. Shore was often writing--especially
in the case of ROTK--as the film was being edited, but instead
of hacking and slashing the recordings, if something changed,
he'd go back and write new music. That's part of the reason
these films included three months of nearly non-stop recording
sessions, as opposed to the week or so usually afforded.
Doug Adams in
moviemusic.com forum post (12-29-2003)
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Use Well The Days
... was a piece I
started writing after thinking about
Annie Lennox. I went to New
Zealand in April, and met with Fran Walsh, who collaborated with me
on "In Dreams" and “Gollum’s Song” and we thought about different
artists that we might want to work with. Annie Lennox was at the
top of the list.
On the way back to New York from New Zealand, I wrote Annie a letter
talking about my process for the months ahead, and the film, to see
if she was interested in it. When I got back, I wrote a piece
called "Use Well The Days" that used words adapted from Tolkien's
lyrics, because Fran hadn't started the process yet. Then when I
met Annie in New York for the first time, I played her that piece -
it was something I had written with her in mind. I had just put
together a demo. Then she recorded it at Abbey Road during the
summer.
As we've worked on all these films, we've created so many things,
and so many ideas - they lead you on a path - and "Use Well The Days" did exactly that. It was like an early version of "Into the
West". So it's on this bonus DVD - you can hear Annie singing it.
It's not in the film, and it's not on the CD, but it was recorded
during the making of his movie.
Howard Shore from:
Music From Returning Kings 11-19-03
Dan Goldwasser
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